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Friday, May 26, 2006

It was Jessie Macbeth, on the grassy knoll, with a pipe wrench

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That title is for all the fellow Clue fans out there.

It's been a fun week on the information frontier. I still have no idea whether or not Jessie Macbeth was a Ranger who served in Iraq.

But something very interesting has happened this week that has convinced me that there is more to this story than overzealous activists.

Fact: The video featuring Macbeth and his claims was posted on Information Clearing House on Sunday, May 21. I'm still working on where they got it, if it was through YouTube or what. It will be interesting to track down to say the least.

Fact: The investigation into the 2005 massacre at Haditha, has been underway for months.
This week it just happened to be noticed by the mainstream media and break very big. Hey, it was on Nightline last night. When something is on Nightline, rest assured it's been covered on the internet for months beforehand.

Fact: Steven A. Stehling shows up here on my blog claiming to be in the military not 24 hours after I post a link to ICH and Macbeth's video. He is shocked, shocked I say about how we lefty bloggers have been taken in by the traitorous Macbeth. "Sargeant Stehling" is later disproved as a fake. Now, I have no illusions about my place in the pecking order of the "blogosphere". Our readers are smart, loyal, and few. We are a nice little family and though our ideas and topics are often incendiary, I don't consider us much of a direct threat to the government. Bush and Rumsfeld don't go to bed at night worried about those kooks at Green September. Our ideas should scare the shit out of them though.
But all of a sudden, we've got our own military propaganda mouthpiece euipped with pretty good knowledge about munitions and what ribbon goes where on which uniform.

Now, the idea that Macbeth is some sort of dis-information plant by desperate military and political hacks is not without it's attraction. But the problem with that is if you're these guys, you know, Them. The ones behind the curtain. Assassinations, staged attacks, this, that, the other. If you're these guys, you release something like that and you wait. You wait for critical mass. You wait for lots of blogs to trumpet it. You wait tfor the MSM to get their slow and stupid paws on it. Then you reveal it to be a hoax. In military parlance you wait for your enemy to enter the killzone before you detonate your claymores. See "Sargeant Stehling", I know military things too.

So the logical conclusion, and the most troubling, is that this guy, Jessie Macbeth, may be the real thing.

May be the real thing.

In this little info-war that seems to have erupted, nothing and no one can be taken at strictly face value. Hell, I've been sleeping with one eye open because I'm no longer sure If I'm trustworthy. It's the eyes. I have shifty eyes.

All kidding aside, this is interesting, but until there can be something like proof either way, that's all it is. An interesting little aside in a big 'ol war of ideas.

Unfortunately while this war of ideas rages, the real one is still killing innocents for no reason.

First Fallujah now Haditha. These are just the crimes we know about. There just happened to be brave souls with cameras about. How many of these little excursions into non-judicial punishment have occured that we aren't seeing?

I could ask Jessie Macbeth.

If I could figure out just who the hell he is.

Update: Well, bless my soul. Someone has posted Jessie's DD214 (standard discharge papers) on the Internet. The right blogs are already all over it. Imagine, the typeface is different on different parts. Shocking!

I don't know if this is real or not. If it was posted by Macbeth, he's a fraud. Even I can see lots of problems with this document.

Let the feeding freny begin:

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=3955

http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/05/26/jesse-macbeth-posts-his-discharge-form/

20 Comments:

  • At 8:37 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    IVAW issues statement on Macbeth. They do not confirm or deny that he was a U.S. soldier, only that he "is not what he represented himself to be."

    Questions have been raised about Jesse MacBeth and his claims of service in Iraq. MacBeth came to Iraq Veterans Against the War in January 2006 asking for help, and the organization and its members extended itself to help him in various ways. Assisting veterans is one of the founding principles of IVAW and it is a mission that we take seriously. After looking into his recent claims, we have learned that Jesse is not what he represented himself to be. Accordingly, IVAW does not in any way endorse Jesse MacBeth or any of his accounts involving military service. He -- and he alone -- is responsible for them. IVAW was not aware of the creation of the video program featuring MacBeth, and did not authorize use of our logo in the program.

    The timing of the widespread circulation of the MacBeth video interestingly coincides with the ongoing military investigation of the recent Marine massacre of two dozen civilians (including women and children) in Haditha, – what is being termed as an atrocity by one member of Congress (R). MacBeth’s false statements unfortunately have played into the hands of those who would deny that any atrocities whatsoever are occurring in Iraq. While such murders by military personnel are reprehensible, ultimate blame for these actions must be placed on the responsible commanding officers, Donald Rumsfeld, and the Bush administration who have created the context for chaos in through an illegal and unjust war and occupation which they admit has no end in sight.

    IVAW is a young and growing organization of courageous veterans and active duty soldiers in the “War on Terror” whose mission is to end the war in Iraq through immediate withdrawal of troops. We believe that veterans should be given the benefits they deserve upon returning home, and that the United States owes reparations to the Iraqi people for the destruction of their country. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was ill conceived and dishonestly sold to the American people, and IVAW members have the special vantage point of first-hand experience of the war to know why it’s wrong and why we need to bring the troops home now.


    A Pepperspray Productions statement is also pending. See the pepperspray web site for more info.

     
  • At 9:31 PM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Robert: I would venture to guess that the enormous "uproar" over the MacBeth video is *clearly* indicative of a deliberate disinformation campaign underway. But by that I do NOT suggest that either MacBath or his assertions are bogus, though they may be. Rather, what I clearly detect in all the "hubbub" is yet another all-out attempt from the Fifth Column to "discredit" generally the voices of dissent and drown out the more pressing, throroughly substantiated truths that are emerging in the news, for instance the *documented* massacres by US Marines in Haditha -- a "spot on" observation on your part. ==== The inordinate attention dedicated to Jesse MacBeth's tale serves to induce a "crisis of competing interests" in those who would naturally extend the man the benefit of the doubt, and will likely cause many to redirect their limited energies into a futile quest for absolute "certainty", one way or another, on this single issue that is considerably less than "urgent". And frankly, this particular "indignation offensive" smacks of the Right's prior smoke and mirrors campaign during the well-corroborated 60 Minutes expose' on George aWol Bush's astoundingly overprivileged Texas ANG "service". (You'll recall that the damning documents in that case -- quickly labeled a fraud by Bush's online operatives -- were nevertheless revealed to be completely authentic in their content, as verified personally by the secretary [of Bush's C.O.], who had typed them and remembered them well. "Sargent" Stehling's commentary in the earlier MacBeth post directly alluded to that predecessor disinfo campaign and its wishful "precedents" when he asked in mock rhetorical fashion, "Are you really going down the 'fake but accurate' road?" The answer, of course, is obvious: "Why the Hell NOT??" The question itself is a fairly blatant attempt to obfuscate two utterly unrelated terms -- a deliberate subterfuge. Ostensibly, blogdom's right wingers are of the belief that mere *copies* of their high school transcripts -- for those who actually attended high school -- do NOT necessarily contain the same information as the originals, an overtly disingenouous notion that fairly speaks for itself.) ==== It's obviously time to scrutinize the *rest* of the news whenever such "outraged" hooplah emerges from the Web's hordes of NeoConNazi "affiliates": "Henirich Himmler" [Hayden] is in, with barely a whimper from Congress; Judge Reggie Walton is up to "tricks" again in the Libby prosecution; and the Bush Regime's direct complicity with Enron, so utterly "dismissed" in the past, is once again rearing its ugly head.

     
  • At 11:10 PM, Blogger politiques USA said…

    Hi guys, It's me UT

    First of all, sorry to be away from this blog. I did not feel like taking part into that for many reasons. I am gonna try to expose them as fast as possible since I have to go back to work tomorrow:

    1) I was physically ill - and I chose to keep a low profile on my health - I had an infection in my right lung - and it was litterally burning my health - I thought it was a lung cancer at some point. It turned out it was just a pneumonia. That definitively shortened my life and my perceptions: it was all about myself FIRST.

    2) THERFORE I prefered to work on my blog

    3) ALSO I feel ashamed to represent the US. I do not even like the way people feel about the immigrants in the US.

    4) AND I still think about the minorities - any kind of them - that have to be righteously represented by the US gov. I do not see any of that at all

    5) I am white. I am not even proud to be white in the US. I feel anything you want but not white. I was born blond, blue eyes, in the western world, I feel like I am missing some very interesting parts besides the western world.

    6) I've been selfish with myself since I thought my life was going to be shorter than I thought. I enjoyed every little minutes of my life.

    7) I am still french in my blood. French people are not liberal, you have to live in the US to feel liberal. Watch out with the word liberal please. In France we are being betrayed by the french republich anyway. Other than that, french are as cool, even cooler, than Americans.

    8) I had to make an AIDS test in the US and guess what ... it all came out negative :P

    9) I don't want to be in this country anymore, I hate it. I am very wealthy financially but I feel like I do not even deserve it. I hate money, I hate high-life style.

    10) .......... I can't write it.

    And what else... nothing new... I am the same ... But what is wrong with "again"? I understand we are tolerant but am I missing something in here?

     
  • At 11:15 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Just brainstorming here, but my instincts are screaming "MK Ultra". Every detail fits. And I've learned and relearned, often painfully, many, many times that I should always go with my instincts.

    [Insert The Who soundtrack here: Won't Get Fooled Again!"]

     
  • At 12:20 AM, Blogger politiques USA said…

    On my blog I wrote a very interesting thing about RACISM, I don't remember if it was writen in french or in "american".
    I am sorry but I don't like the general opinion of the american population: Americans are feeling threatened by Mexicans and Bush is on an automatic pilot? So WHAT? BIG FUCKING DEAL! You guys should get over it.
    Look at me, I'm fucking white, I'm blond, I'm blue eyes and so what's the big deal about it? Should I be pleased that I am white in the USA? NOPE sorry, I don't give a shit about these politics, and I don't give a shite about WHITE SECULARISM AT ALL. We are Americans, okey... great... so let's be American and the color of skin does not matter.
    If you want to deport all the different color of skins that were brought into the US, meaning the "negroes" through England that were brought by white people, then we could even deport the white people for getting in the US. Do you really think the "negroes" wanted to be living in the US? Deport the negroes, then deport the whites too.

    Fucking assholes of white people, whether they are Americans or coming from Europe. Screw some of them.

    White people come from Iran/Iraq, then some of them migrated to India (Urdu language is from European root) and later on, other went to the US of A. Fuck the color of skin gee.

    I am not jumping on anybody's throat, I felt like it is a duty to stop with the color of skin GEE.

    "Oh you are white, or you are non-white! So what?"

    Sorry if I offended anyone. The US need the illegal Mexicans more than ever.


    PUTOS.

     
  • At 2:12 AM, Blogger Again said…

    UT
    But what is wrong with "again"?

    because it's me, asking you, i guess you understand - but i don't understand, what's wrong with me ;-) - can you please explain it to me?

     
  • At 2:26 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Defending Amerika is FUN, FUN, FUN!

    Check out the Kommandos Project.

    I'm off to buy some toy soldiers...

     
  • At 4:50 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    So I'm fake? Macbeth is the fraud. First he lies about being a Ranger and being in Iraq. Now he's released a forged DD-214. But true to character, just like his uniform, he screwed up his DD-214. No IRR service requirement? BS. There's so many errors on his DD-214 I have to question wh would possibly believe the document is valid.

    But back to me being fake. What makes me fake? Am I part of some conspiracy because I commented on your website shortly after you posted an article about Macbeth? No. It means I know how to use Technorati and Google Blogs to find articles about a specific topic.

    If you really want, I can scan my military ID card and show you I am in the military. But something tells me you won't believe even that.

     
  • At 5:12 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Sgt. StaleSchwing, do us a favor and go get killed so we can remember you fondly Monday. You lying sack of shit.

     
  • At 5:15 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    Actually, I'm not going to wait for you to ask.

    Here's my ID card, with the 3D bar code blackened for security purposes.

    http://www.standardsandgrudges.com/images/1.jpg


    And to ML, you're an excellent example of the anti-war left. You want us to die. Which is why we have no respect for you.

     
  • At 5:57 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    I have no respect for those who murder in my name. Cowards like Sgt. StaleShwing shame America.

    I will, however, honor Iraq's victims of Bush's war, both its civilians and freedom fighters.

     
  • At 9:22 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    Mr."Stehling", please stop embarrassing yourself and leave.

     
  • At 12:54 AM, Blogger Again said…

    S.S.
    But something tells me you won't believe even that.

    but that's not that surprising, isn't it? Scans are not really "permanent" documents usable in trials and the act of scanning is - to bystanders - certain in only one respect: you have to do it somewhere on Earth and you have to be able to get some interesting documents, but i guess, that doesn't make you unique. Too easily being manipulated, as the DD-214 proves: Pattern "openly faked document so that it MUST be seen on a monitor even by 50 years old housewives" - worked once fine, will now be used forever (btw: creating a new, informative pattern about the fakers and the believers)

    openly admitted: my problem with your appearance is the difference between the photo and the language/wording...

    you know, what Richard Fester said? Patterns are not only available by phone-calls and scale-free networks ;-) Actually, if you can use content, not only structural attributes (as in words and phrases), you can retrieve more information. But i guess, you know that

     
  • At 1:58 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    GOD, I'm confused! (But then, that very likely *will* be my "Epitaph", as the King Crimson song goes.) ==== ML: Can you clue me in as to the specific meaning of your MK-Ultra reference. Yes, I have a passing familiarity with that covert program, but don't understand the application of it here. Are you perhaps suggesting that Macbeth may have been a "subject" -- a "Manchurian Candidate" of sorts? ==== Just wondering. I'm relatively clueless. ==== [And has anybody stumbled across a written transcript or excerpts yet of the Macbeth video?]

     
  • At 4:18 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    At least insofar as warfare is concerned, "the more things change, the more they remain the same" -- Nihil novum sub solum. This, I believe, is the story the Jesse Macbeth "furor" is intended to drown out: Photos Indicate Civilians Slain Execution-Style ==== An official involved in an investigation of Camp Pendleton Marines' actions in an Iraqi town cites "a total breakdown in morality." ==== Photographs taken by a Marine intelligence team have convinced investigators that a Marine unit killed as many as 24 unarmed Iraqis, some of them "execution-style," in the insurgent stronghold of Haditha after a roadside bomb killed an American in November, officials close to the investigation said Friday. ==== The pictures are said to show wounds to the upper bodies of the victims, who included several women and six children. Some were shot in the head and some in the back, congressional and defense officials said. ...

     
  • At 6:56 AM, Blogger Again said…

    nemo
    This, I believe, is the story the Jesse Macbeth "furor" is intended to drown out

    yes, that's the story, John Murtha published - Haditha - if you cannot kill the message, kill the messenger

    but i guess you can't kill the story anymore - the link i offered was a foreign one and the foreigners aren't vulnerable to american propaganda tricks. It didn't work the first time outside the reach of the propaganda machinery (all the world knows that Georgie went AWOL) and it will not work now

    and i guess they tried hard to silence the story - Haditha is said to have happened Nov, 2005, Time published the story in March. After some months: John Murtha, certainly knowing to risk his political career with the story. There seem to be some power in that story which "needs" help to fade away...

    seems to me, as if many more Americans know the meaning of the word "decency" as their government would like it ;-)

     
  • At 3:32 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Are you perhaps suggesting that Macbeth may have been a "subject" -- a "Manchurian Candidate" of sorts?

    Exactly. Patsy would be another word. His legal problems also provide convenient cover and motivation for his potential handlers.

     
  • At 5:02 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    Now, ML, I've seen way too much weird shit on the international scene the past few years to dismiss anything out of hand but.....

     
  • At 6:42 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Sure, it sounds over-the-top, until one recalls the past of our moth ruthless neocons. I'm talking about Cheney and Rumsfeld's role in covering up MKULTRA and Operation Artichoke. The timing with the real Marines massacre in Iraq is the giveaway: waaaaay too conveneint, just like having Osama show up on cue every time Bush's ratings drop.

     
  • At 11:05 AM, Anonymous ML said…

    Apparently our patsy misrepresented himself to Pepperspray Productions as well:

    PepperSpray Productions' Retraction Statement for our Video "Jesse Macbeth: An Iraq Veteran Speaks Out"

    PepperSpray Productions recently created a video entitled "Jesse Macbeth: An Iraq Veteran Speaks Out." Jesse Macbeth misrepresented to PepperSpray Productions and others his military service and was never deployed in Iraq. When we learned that Macbeth's service records were fraudulent, we immediately pulled the video and are no longer distributing it. We remain committed to creating high quality independent media and deeply regret that the Macbeth video distracted attention from the military investigation of a Marines massacre of 24 civilians in Haditha and accounts from actual Iraq Veterans.

     

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