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Monday, May 22, 2006

Jessie Macbeth

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Jessie Macbeth, former Army Ranger and now Iraq Veteran Against War is speaking out about his experiences in Iraq.

I have no words.



UPDATE: Pepperspray Productions, the production company that filmed and distributed the interview, seems to be a legitimate non-profit ( virulently non-profit) grass roots, indymedia production company.

The headquarters of Iraq Veterans Against the War only operates on Tuesdays and Thursdays (???) so I'm calling them back tomorrow for a statement and to try and verify that Mr. Macbeth is a former member of the American military and that he is a current member of IVAW. If possible, though a long shot, I'm going to try and see if I can get contact information for him and speak to him myself.

I will be working to get a partial transcript or at least some relevant quotes posted for those not able to access the video. If anyone else wants to beat me to the punch on that one, feel free.

Update: Iraq Veterans Against the War's phone lines are jammed. I guess they are a tad busy today.

Update:

Still many questions. Still taking everything with a "grain of salt".

From both sides.


This from the blog Just Citizens ( justcitizens.blogspot.com) Thanks ML

Today, the Army ran a check on Mr. MacBeth’s credentials. It turns out, not surprisingly to anybody with half a mind, that Mr. MacBeth has NO Army service record. Anywhere. Period. This is a direct quote given to me by Army spokesman John Boyce:

“Initial research by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg shows no Soldier with the name of Jesse Macbeth having ever been assigned to the Special Forces or the Army Rangers -- which are, in fact, two separate disciplines. This appears to be some sort of hoax. No Soldier by that name at Fort Lewis to our knowledge, in the past, either. Of course, the line about "go into the Army or go to jail" is vintage TV script not heard since the 1960s. There are also numerous wear and appearance issues with the Soldier's uniform -- a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef. Of course, the allegations of war crimes are vague, as are the awards the Soldier allegedly received.”

Time will tell. This as high stakes as you can get. If, if Mr. Macbeth is telling the truth and his story can be verified, everyone involved in this little dance knows it's the equivalent of The Pentagon Papers and The Nuremberg Tribunals wrapped around a ticking nuclear weapon.

If he is not, then this disgusting hoax seriously damages the search for justice in Iraq.

And on one hand I will be very, very thankful that it was a lie, because whatever philosophical differences I may have with the U.S. military, and they are legion, they don't deserve this monsterous slander. It's enough that war crimes have and are being committed. Fuck, the entire war is a war crime. But this shit does....not...help.

and on the other... dear flaming Jesus help those folks at IVAW , Seattle Indymedia and Pepperspray productions because I don't like to be lied to....

But as I say. We shall see. I'm still a bit curious at the overnight PR blitz by the military and it's defenders.

UPDATE: Now it seems our Mr. Macbeth has a criminal record for assault and check fraud. Also he's not really....drum roll....ONE OF US!!!!

No, it seems he's one of them. A "raghead" to quote one of the astute observers at that site. Note: Anyone who uses the word "raghead" would be quite comfortable using words like "nigger" and "wetback". In other words, racist scum.

Still no magic discharge papers from Macbeth that would put an end to all of this. If he is in fact who he says he is. Because that's really the bottom line. Dig up whatever you want to about him, if, if he actually served in Iraq with the Rangers, that's all I need to know.

ML has been all over this, I wouldn't have been able to follow it so quickly without him. My thanks.

48 Comments:

  • At 2:41 AM, Anonymous b said…

    I don't have any, either since I'm unable to view or download it. WMP freezes my computer and the other option didn't work.

    Is there a transcript anywhere?

     
  • At 2:46 AM, Anonymous b said…

    dyingwarriors.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_dyingwarriors_archive.html

     
  • At 5:31 AM, Blogger Again said…

    since i'm also handicapped with my internet-access, i would like to have a transcript, too

    so question: is there a direct connection to Jack Murthas claim, that "U.S. Marines wantonly killed innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children"?

     
  • At 9:27 AM, Anonymous ML said…

  • At 8:12 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Fresh reporting on Jessie Macbeth here.

     
  • At 9:28 PM, Anonymous b said…

    Another very, very disturbing video, "what would jesus do". It was extremely difficult to watch.

    http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/wwjd.html

     
  • At 9:29 PM, Anonymous b said…

    the url didn't complete

    http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/wwjd.html

     
  • At 9:31 PM, Anonymous b said…

    grr it left off after animations../wwjd.html

    i don't know why the whole thing won't show.

     
  • At 11:35 PM, Anonymous b said…

    Information Clearing House now has it up as a Google video and it begins right away. I'm speechless.

     
  • At 12:00 AM, Blogger Again said…

    robert:
    if I can get contact information for him and speak to him myself....get a partial transcript

    that would be great, thanks

    reminds me of your post "Germans", when Bush said, that Germans "just don’t like war. And I can understand that. There’s a generation of people who had their lives torn about because of a terrible war."

    a nation cheering for the "Total War", now - after having experienced it at first hand - don't "like it" anymore. Odd. (Are humans maybe able to learn? Can't be...)

    Don't let people look away, even when you may force them into cognitive dissonance - force them to see the consequences of their actions, even when action is only to not care about

    btw: thanks, ML, for the link

     
  • At 2:50 AM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    Hasn't anyone told you yet that the video is a fraud?

     
  • At 5:05 AM, Blogger Again said…

    stehling
    Hasn't anyone told you yet that the video is a fraud?

    yes, and CO2 in the atmosphere is "just life" - seems, that God really blessed America...

    for hers is the Kingdom.... - Matthew v:3

     
  • At 7:28 AM, Anonymous b said…

    Robert, he might be right. I read the same thing other places. This is very confusing.

     
  • At 7:32 AM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    You don't have to believe me that Macbeth is a fraud. It's on the Peace Films website.

    "Mother Fu**ng LIES!

    I hope all of you read what I have to say about this. First, I speak to you, of Ogrish, as a combat veteran myself. I spent 6 years in the army as an Airborne Ranger stationed with an Infantry bgd at the 82nd, and with the 101st LRS Detatchment. This is the most disgusting piece of propaganda footage I have yet to see about the war in Iraq. While there *ARE* instances of deliberate abuse, killing and even torture of Iraqi non combatants, this particular interview is completely staged. Here are my conclusions...
    First of all, in the beginning of the picture, the patch the supposed "Ranger" is wearing can be clearly seen on the right shoulder. A US Army soldiers right arm indicates a combat patch. You dont get one unless you've spent 6 months in a designated combat area. That's fine, except, he is wearing a Special Forces "Group" patch. I only know one ranger Unit that is authorized to wear that patch and they were deployed to Afganistan with 5th group. Also, he has two "tabs" sewn above the right arm patch. This is incorrect. An "Airborne" tab should be sewn above it, but nothing else. I assume the second patch is either the "Special Forces" tab, or his supposed "Ranger" tab. Bull s***. It doesn't go there. Also, notice his rank... Two stripes, Corporal (E-4). Thiese are pinned on. Most Units standards will state that rank is to be SEWN ON. Not pinned. Certainly, a ranger unit would uphold this standard. That's WRONG. Next, take a look at his military photo. The wall photo is similar to the ones you will find of any soldier who goes to the E-5 board for promotion. It is required that they have a "Soldier's Photo" taken for their packet. The standard is either BDU's, or Class-A's. He is shown wearing BDU's. His "Ranger" tab should be sewn above his unit patch. It's not there... Next, notice that above his name tag, there is NOTHING sewn on the uniform. Almost 99.9% of Rangers are airborne qualified. It's par for the course. I've NEVER met a L.E.G. (Low Energy Ground) Ranger. This is usually completed before attending ranger school- except for very rare circumstances. Any airborne soldier would proudly display their Jump Wings. Where are they??? Next, no god damned Unit Crest is placed in the center of the patch in his berrett. Finally, his sleeves are rolled up. For most infantry units, this is not allowed. Support units (and some combat units) will roll up their sleeves in warm weather while in garrison- However, Infantry soldiers are usually not permitted to do so because it is NON-TACTICAL for their job duty. "We train like we fight- And we dont ever fight with our sleeves up." Also, they are rolled improperly. The US Marines roll their sleeve like the liars piture. The US Army rolls up their sleeves but then folds the cuff area over the lighter portion of the sleeve to keep the uniform's camof**e pattern continuous. That's wrong. Here's an abbreviated list of discrepencies...

    1. Special Forces Combat Patch (Wrong)
    2. Two "Tabs" sewn above SF patch (Wrong- Only One)
    3. No Ranger Tab
    4. No Airborne Wings
    5. No Unit Crest
    6. No Sewn on Rank
    7. No One in the Army rolls their sleeves like that.
    Bonus: 8. Mustache is out of regulation by extending past the corner of the mouth.

    You don't take a picture like that- with your uniform looking like you got it from some steven segal movie set. Its disrespectful, and an Army ranger would be upholding those standards.

    I don't care what the j*** says... He is completely uncredible.
    " -A REAL Ranger

    Or if you prefer, how about a statement from the the owner of peacefilms.org?

    "I am the citizen who put the Jessie Macbeth interview on my website. I am a volunteer social justice cameraperson/video editor. I did not film or edit Jessie's interview yet I did put it on the site and I take full responsiblity for that. At present we have asked a number of veterans, those who know Jessie and those who don't, to review the video and talk with Jessie. I am hoping to hear the first reports shortly. If Jessie's claim to be a Ranger does not check out as I am hearing other citizens say is the case, I plan to still intensely follow up on whether the experiences Jessie claims to have had in Iraq are valid. If there is truth in Jessie's story, whether he was a Ranger of not, we as citizens must know. So lets see first what the vetera**ay. I will let everyone know. If Jessie's story is found valid, he will stay on this website. If Jessie is not a Ranger but his story checks out, I will pull the interview off the site but Jessie will be back in a new interview that has been verified. I'm new at all this so bear with me. We are all just citizens trying to get at the truth.
    This site was put together by a web designer giving me little recourse at present but to communicate with everyone the way we all communicate on this site and that is through the guestbook. But it should work out.
    In the meantime, how about if someone goes to the video page with Ms. Eman Ahmad Khamas speaking and lets us know what they think. Listen to her talk about genocide. I know the text is long and small on that page but get out your magnifying glass. The Vets will put Jessie under a magnifying glass and you can put Ms. Khamas under one. Fair enough? Go to the "Learn Something" page and click on the link, Women Say No To War. Dig around and read some of the articles about Ms. Khamas. Ok, I only have read one myself so far but hey, thinking is tough. But in a democracy of the people we have to think, like it or not. Case in point: It appears I should have been more critical regarding the Jessie Macbeth interview. But that is what freedom of speech is all about. Getting feedback, altering course with the help of other free voices and arriving at the truth.
    " -Terry Portinga

     
  • At 8:41 AM, Blogger Again said…

    b:
    This is very confusing.

    what is very confusing? That war deforms people or that someone talks about while the war is still going on?

    btw: Robert is still trying to verify it, but killing of innocent people, even children by soldiers, thousands of dead iraqis, unjustice - i just have to go to Riverbend to know that's true

    so the content of the Video isn't fake, just the individual person might be. But then the story will be even more interesting because who would be interested in faking something like truth - to make it look like a lie, than people don't believe the truth anymore? Like the AWOL-Hero George Bush, who really managed to silence the people by the same strategy, while everybody knows on the whole wide world, that he really went AWOL?

    what would that mean? Do they try to gather the Americans to bomb Iran by making them believe, that war is a nice, cute game for babies and that American soldiers never ever killed anybody in Cold Blood

    you needn't a Shakespeare-Hero, to say things like that:
    "Veterans describe the violence of war as having a numbing effect on soldiers, making it possible to carry out otherwise unthinkable acts"

     
  • At 9:00 AM, Blogger Again said…

    PS: thanks, Stehling, for warning us - will we see you again?

     
  • At 9:21 AM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    "so the content of the Video isn't fake, just the individual person might be."

    Did you think before typing that? What evidence supports the content?

    Are you really going down the 'fake but accurate' road? Over 100,000 Americans have served in Iraq, myself included, yet there hasn't been a single creditable or corroborated source that reports anything like the comments expressed in the Macbeth video. There are Iraqi veterans that oppose the war, but even they don't claim they saw anything like that.

     
  • At 10:55 AM, Blogger Robert said…

    Curiouser and curiouser......

    If it turns out that this is a lie and a sham, I will apologize and update my post to refelect it, but I will leave the video to show just how fucked this whole situation is getting to be.....

    Welcome Mr.Stehling, forgive me, I didn't catch your rank. And excuse me for playing devil's advocate, but I don't really have any proof you are who you say you are either.

    Don't worry, if Mr. Macbeth proves to be a fraud, I e will denounce him and every organiztion responsible for the distrobution of that video.

    But a question: How exactly did you find your way to my little corner of the Internet. Judging by the links on your blog Malkin, LGF, Powerline, etc.
    This doesn't quite seem to be your neck of the woods.

    Don't get me wrong, welcome. Really. I would like as many viewpoints here as possible. But the timing of your arrival here sets off a little warning bell.

    The truth of all of this will be known.

    Soon.

     
  • At 11:02 AM, Anonymous ML said…

    DOD is working overtime to discredit this one. Can't attack the message, attack the messenger. Since everything the Bush administration initially denies ultimately turns out to be true, Stehling's comments are merely confirmation of Macbeth's allegations.

    I've seen and heard plenty of evidence that supports the content over the past 3 years. Far more evidence than I ever saw on WMDs.

     
  • At 11:14 AM, Blogger Robert said…

    Sorry for all of my misspellings.In great hurry.

    The shit has hit the fan around here. My inbox is on overflow from people I've never met asking how dare I post some thing like this(Macbeth).

    Busy too on personal front so catching it on both ends.

    Again, will edit and post as quickly as my little fingers can get to it.

     
  • At 11:19 AM, Anonymous ML said…

    This Stehling character is a fraud. U.S. Army Rangers are sworn to uphold the Constitution. If he was doing his job, he'd be arresting Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Rumsfeld for violating the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, and violating our laws banning torture. What an embarassment these fake Americans are, wearing Army uniforms, and pretending to defend America from a country that never attacked or threatened us.

     
  • At 12:31 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Here's one of the pajama investigators' attempting to analyze Macbeth's interview. The Army allegedly can't find Macbeth's army service record. They're probably just hiding in the same place as Bush's service records from the TX Air Guard. Or maybe their hidden with Iraq's WMDs. Or maybe they're hiding with Bush's cocaine conviction records. They could be hiding out with Osama and Poppy Bush on a nice tropical island. Perhaps they're hidden with the U.S.' official copy of the treaty banning torture. Or with Alberto Gonzalez' missing copy of the Bill of Rights.

    No shortage of racist American apologists for genicide and empire. Pathetic.

     
  • At 3:33 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    IVAW web site statement:

    IVAW Statement on MacBeth Video

    Iraq Veterans Against the War recently learned of a video interview with Jesse MacBeth that directs viewers to IVAW’s website and phone number. IVAW was not made aware of the creation of this video program and our input on it was never sought by its producers. Jesse MacBeth is not a spokesperson for IVAW and any claims made by MacBeth about his service have not been verified. We are currently investigating these claims and will have a full statement pending its resolution.

     
  • At 3:55 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    "But a question: How exactly did you find your way to my little corner of the Internet. Judging by the links on your blog Malkin, LGF, Powerline, etc.
    This doesn't quite seem to be your neck of the woods.
    "

    I tend to reach out into the blogosphere when there's something being said that I know from my own experience is not accurate. It's easy enough to find blogs discussing an issue by doing a Technorati or Google Blog keyworld search. I'm not going to run off and find that sites that agree with me. What's the point in discussing something in an echo chamber if I hope to correct an error? I have nothing wrong with debate, but when misinformation is being spread I get irritated.

    The last major issue that got me to reach out was when that Italian newspaper was trying to claim that US forces intentionally used WP artillery on civilians during The Battle of Fallujah. When I was in the Marines, I was a Field Artillery Operations Controller. Basically I did the math necessary to aim the artillery, planned the fire missions and coordinated the attack. I read the article in the article in Field Artillery (the Army artillery publication) and it wasn't the smoking gun people were claiming. There was nothing unusual about using WP artillery for screening and illumination inside a city. That type of ammunition can be precisely aimed like the article claimed and used exactly how the article claimed. However, some people who don't know knowledge of WP artillery rounds could get confused.

    I don't want to argue the entire issue all over again, but it's been over a year since the attack and the media hasn't been able to uncover any evidence of intentionally attacking civilians with WP artillery. There's been plenty of journalists with an agenda that have tried and even they couldn't find or create evidence. Here's a couple things to help understand. There are two types of WP artillery, bursting and base ejecting. A bursting round is used for burning fuel depots, illuminating a target and has a limited smoke screen ability. The illuminating part is where some people get confused. It doesn't provide much visible light. It provides infrared light that can easily be seen with night vision. This is useful so pilots can be directed at a target in the dark of night. Pilots will use the WP as a reference point by flying at the WP from a certain direction and dropping their bombs a specific distance from the WP. It actually works very well and it's much better than trying to blindly drop bombs at night. The base ejecting WP is ideally used for smoke screens and burning fuel depots. Little wedges of WP soaked felt are ejected out of the back of the shell and as they float down they spread a lot of smoke. This type of smoke screen can be aimed at a very specific target. You can literally drop a felt wedge WP shell on a football field and not damage structures around the field. The one thing that clued me into knowing the Italian newspaper was lying about the WP usage is the claim that the flesh of the victims had been burnt, but their clothing was intact. WP would burn the clothing just as easily as it'll burn flesh. The people the Italian newspaper claim to have found may have been innocent civilians caught up in the battle, the the explanation for how they were killed doesn't add up. It's more likely that they were killed in the battle and exposure to the environment for several days caused the unusual appearance of the skin.

    There are people in the military that may not agree with your opinion, but that doesn't mean you should ignore them. Most of us have an extremely high integrity and will discuss an issue to the best of our ability. If military members have a problem with a specific claim being spread as fact, you might want to consider that it's possibly misinformation. There's even veterans who disagree with the war that can verify that some things passed off as fact don't add up. And I'm a Staff Sargent in the Wisconsin Air National Guard, formally a Sargent in the Marine Corps.

     
  • At 4:12 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Most of us have an extremely high integrity

    Like Lynndie England, following Rumsfeld's orders. LOL! If you had any integrity, you'd arrest Bush, Cheney, and the neocons for their war crimes. Losers.

     
  • At 5:44 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    Wait...just....one....minute.

    I was about to comment on "Mr. Stehling" and his very logical and polite explanation of several issues and say welcome to Green September,please make yourself at home. I don't throw anyone out without a fair hearing.

    But then "Sargent Stehling" had to push his persona a little too far.

    You see "Sargent" I've spent most of my life either around or in the military in one form or fashion so I know one or two little things.

    "Staff Sargent" "Sargent in the Marine Corps"

    It could be that if you want to spend your time on the Internet posing as a SARGEANT in the military, a spell checker might be in order.

    And don't give me any horseshit about typo's "Sargent", some things get in the blood and never leave.

    I also picked up on you wonderful ability with MOS's on you blog. I learned along time ago, when someone feels the need to quote their MOS to you, they're usually full of shit.

    Get the fuck out of my neighborhood and don't come back "Sargent".

     
  • At 5:55 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    So now you're accusing me of making up that I'm in the military?

    How about this photo?
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/stehling/109583254/in/set-72057594078247427/
    And you can also see in the background that there are missiles and bombs, which are part of my current job. Also clearly visible are my stripes.

    This is from my deployment overseas. If you enlarge the photo, you can clearly see my name tag.

    And here's pictures from when I was in Japan with the Marines.
    http://www.standardsandgrudges.com/images/yasu/yasu_dinner.jpg
    http://www.standardsandgrudges.com/images/me_at_yasu.jpg
    http://www.standardsandgrudges.com/images/yasu.jpg

     
  • At 6:32 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    I don't care if Stehling is cheapmeat or not. He's obviously a lying piece of shit like Bush.

    First, while alleging Macbeth's claims are a fraud, his own post confirms them:

    While there *ARE* instances of deliberate abuse, killing and even torture of Iraqi non combatants...

    Second, he confirms that WP was indeed used by the military in Fallujah. Of course, the DOD has already admitted that it was used as an incendiary weapon in Fallujah. I don't really care about the finer points of different kinds of WP rounds: the allegations were true that WP was used in Fallujah, and there is no shortage of evidence that civilians were also massacred in Fallujah. WP rounds were just one of many weapons used against civilians and Iraqi freedom fighters defending their homeland in Fallujah. Unfortunately, not enough of those dead civilians were employed by Blackwater.

    Third, he continues to disingenuously use the phrase "Operation Iraqi Freedom" on his own war porn pictures. A phrase that is itself a lie.

    Fourth, if he really was an American defending the Constitution, as I have already pointed out, he would be hauling Bush and Cheney into prison for their assualt on the Constitution.

    No, he's just another lying sack of shit following orders and making excuses for American war crimes on my tax dollars.

     
  • At 9:05 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    There is now a Wikipedia entry on Jesse Macbeth, which we all know MUST conform to Wikipedia's infamous standards of accuracy.

    At first glance, this point seems the most damning:

    A narrator in the video says that Macbeth "...served in Iraq for 16 months before being wounded..." The war began on 20 March 2003. The Eastern Arizona Courier reported on 3 November 2003 that Jesse MacBeth had returned 2 and a half months prior - roughly in late August of 2003, after sustaining a back injury, making such a deployment about five months long.

    There's really no discrepancy at all with these facts. The U.S. did not suddenly station 250,000 troops in Iraq on March 20th. The U.S. has had troops stationed in countries and bases around Iraq for well over a decade, enforcing the illegally imposed "no-fly" zones during Clinton/Gore, and before Bush 43s war on Iraq began. The troop buildup for the war took place over many, many months. In fact, Macbeth most likely would have been deployed to Iraq well before March 20, even as early as April or May of 2002. The U.S. also had covert operations teams operating inside Iraq well before March 20, 2003.

    That point seems to be the best of the various allegations that he is not who he claims. The anal-retentive fashion critiques of his uniform remind me of the swiftboating of Dan Rather: the letters on his desk were typed with the wrong era typewriter! And Saddam hid his WMDs in Syria! And the U.S. doesn't torture people! Tell me another one, oh worshipers of president liar.

    Yes, Macbeth's account has been discredited by his poor fashion sense, and the same fright-wing blog circle-jerk that claims global warming is a myth. Zero credibility blogs questioning a former soldier's credibility. LOL!

     
  • At 11:13 PM, Anonymous ML said…

  • At 1:04 AM, Anonymous b said…

    Sigh....

     
  • At 2:18 AM, Blogger Again said…

    to copy b:

    sigh....

    simply nothing to add...

    except for the words of so many old men, that they never did anything wrong - all atrocities were done by the enemy - but alas, the winner writes history, so the loser has to take it all (at least the guilt), that's the only reason why rumors like that could spread. There really was no holocaust, no one never saw and heard anything about, that can't be true. The people always were so nice to each other. Yes, maybe in the big cities, far away, there might be some cruelty, but we never heard and saw anything suspicious

    but alas, "we" weren't allowed/able to watch foreign TV, listen to foreign radio or read foreign papers...

    riddle: who is "we"?

    "History, of course, never repeats itself exactly. But what does occur is that patterns of behavior are repeated." - jmfs link How Does President Bush Compare with Other Wartime Presidents With Respect to Free Speech Issues?

    btw: "Put simply, the experimenters concluded that human beings, when asked to lie without being given sufficient justification, will convince themselves that the lie they are asked to tell is the truth." Cognitive dissonance

     
  • At 3:29 AM, Anonymous b said…

    ya know, that sigh was all that could come out because I was rendered speechless once again.

    Maybe if you wrote at a level all could understand, your points would be more clear. It's called demotic. Don't go running to Wikpedia for this one. "Of or relating to the common people". You must remember that.

    You can call me a cognitive dissident.

     
  • At 4:31 AM, Blogger Again said…

    b
    Maybe if you wrote at a level all could understand, your points would be more clear. It's called demotic.

    regarding the post/comments in the other thread, i can understand that - but here? On the other hand, if you don't know my history, i've discussed here more than once, you can't be able to understand it, that's right...

    or do you think i attacked you in some way? I'm just asking because i can't relate "cognitive dissidence" to your posts, so i can't understand how you can do it...

     
  • At 4:45 AM, Blogger Again said…

    PS:
    i don't use Wikipedia to look for unknown words like demotic - simply because dict.cc handles words and idioms alike <blink>

     
  • At 7:13 AM, Anonymous b said…

    again, i thought i was on the other thread when i wrote that. sorry for the misunderstanding.

     
  • At 1:07 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Only a week and a half ago, Macbeth was one of the panelists at a Halliburton protest gathering, and was listed as being with IVAW.

     
  • At 8:24 PM, Anonymous Nemo [formerly JMF] said…

    "... Over 100,000 Americans have served in Iraq, myself included, yet there hasn't been a single creditable [sic] or corroborated source that reports anything like the comments expressed in the Macbeth video. ..." : Pentagon Report Said to Find Killing of Iraqi Civilians Deliberate [Knight-Ridder; 18 May 2006] -- A Pentagon report on an incident in which U.S. Marines shot and killed more than a dozen Iraqi civilians last November will show that those killings were deliberate and worse than initially reported, a Pennsylvania congressman said Wednesday. ==== "There was no firefight. There was no IED (improvised explosive device) that killed those innocent people," Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said during a news conference on Iraq. "Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them. And they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. That is what the report is going to tell." ... ==== [N.B. Not having been able to view the MacBeth video nor a transcript, I suppose the above highly credible revelation from the military commanders, via Congressman Murtha -- himself a retired Marine Colonel of 37 years service (Biography) -- must not be "anything like it". Not exactly a "reassuring" thought, to put it bluntly.]

     
  • At 1:33 AM, Blogger Again said…

    ml:
    Macbeth was one of the panelists at a Halliburton protest gathering, and was listed as being with IVAW.

    but the first comment was a protest, too


    Nemo [formerly JMF]:
    thanks for the link regarding Mr. Murtha

    because i like it to have as much sources as possible about an interesting fact (the "Cold Blood"-link above was about Mr. Murtha) - and the most simple reason for a fake would be to defame John Murtha, because his accusations flood through the whole bloggosphere, may be more dangerous, than to be seen on the surface (btw: in my link he is called "Jack", so thanks for the biography)

    just an aside: why did you rename yourself (i hope not because of (our) comments here)? Because of Jules Vernes' Captain Nemo?

     
  • At 4:35 AM, Anonymous Barnita said…

    I've apparantly missed some of the action again. I've been busy with work and showing my support for the students here in their protests against reservations. So I had no clue about Macbeth. I'd thought you guys would be discussing the FBI raid on the Democrat dude...this is so unreal. I'm off googling now.

    Nemo is nice - I'd like to think its from the fish cartoon and not from 20,000 leagues- which is it JMF? er Nemo?

    Love you guys.

     
  • At 6:03 PM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Again and Barnita: I'd been thinking about the adoption of this genuine "moniker" for some time now. It suits me. And though I do tend to draw mental images of James Mason as the fictional "Captain" -- I'd forgotten about the fish -- and even of the similar-sounding "Neo" from "The Matrix", the choice really has nothing to do with any of those. No, it's not a reaction to any comments I've received here, either. ==== In fact. the name is most earnestly attributable to our old "nemesis", Mannn[l]ing, who inspired my use of it at WB in response to one of his more rabid outbursts: "Who are you? Just a nobody!", or words to that effect ==== To a very large extent, he was right. In the eyes of the "powers that be" in this Reich and of their vicariously megalomaniacal minions, that's undoubtedly true. I posess neither wealth nor stature nor political clout -- I am Nemo ["No One"]. ==== But that insight, coupled with a dedication to ego deflation at depth, is ultimately massively liberating. And it makes one inherently dangerous to those blustering, insanely egotistical power brokers. I have no money -- you cannot take it away; I have no public reputation -- you cannot smear me; I have no political ambitions -- you cannot thwart me; in fact, I have no identity -- you can *never* defeat me. For whom would you overcome if you even tried? "NO ONE!" I am just a voice of truth that cannot be silenced.-- a nameless, faceless enemy of the tyranny that oppresses us, "Everyman" and "No One". ==== But I believe it is the "No Ones" of this world -- the "little people", the "John Does", as Frank Capra would dub us -- who are the force that must be reckoned with, who will ultimately determine the fate of this planet or abandon themselves to the vile caprices of its "leaders" -- those would-be, self-ordained "Somebodies".

     
  • At 2:48 AM, Anonymous B said…

    Nemo,
    I was thinking maybe it was an anagram for Omen.

     
  • At 12:07 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Attention Presidential Prayer Team: your God confesses to making lethal mistakes. Yes, losers, your God is fallible!

    Bush said he regretted his cowboy rhetoric after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks such as his "wanted dead or alive" description of Osama bin Laden and his taunting "bring 'em on" challenge to Iraqi insurgents. "In certain parts of the world, it was misinterpreted." He also cited the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. "We've been paying for that for a long time," Bush said.

     
  • At 3:27 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    HA! Even Google figured it out: Google USS Eichmann, and you get a hit for the Times Online article.

    What could be more despicable than using the WTC's steel for the USS Eichmann? How about taking some bricks from Auschwitz to build Israel's apartheid wall?

     
  • At 6:55 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    "How about taking some bricks from Auschwitz to build Israel's apartheid wall? "

    Ouch.

    Funny and true.

    But ouch. :)

     
  • At 12:40 AM, Blogger politiques USA said…

    *yawn*

    Okey?

    I'm going to hit da sack :)

     
  • At 3:50 AM, Blogger Again said…

    nemo:
    No, it's not a reaction to any comments I've received here, either.

    thanks (easies my conscience <grin>)

     
  • At 11:11 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    The Jesse Macbeth redux:

    A Higher Standard

     

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