Sunday, May 28, 2006

Memorial Day


Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today.

-John F. Kennedy

I did something last night I seldom do.

I censored myself here on this blog. I had posted a follow up comment to the ever-persistent Sargeant Stehling. I let fly a lot of frustration. I let the comment stand for a while but I was troubled by it. I'm still really not sure why. I deleted it.

I have a policy concerning the things I write. I never write anything about anyone that I wouldn't say to that person face to face. I don't believe in hiding behind the page. That's why I eventually posted my real name and, as soon as I can get my digital camera back from my ex, I'm posting my picture here so you can put a face to the words. Not having to worry about my family being caught in the crossfire makes me more open as well.

I'm angry. I'm angry that we live in a society where questioning the military or not "supporting our troops" is akin to treason. I'm angry because I hear the old, "I'm against the war, but I support the troops."

What a bold moral stance that is. I hate murder but I support murderers.

When you get past all of the patriotism, politics, and myths surrounding war, you are simply left with frightened young men killing other frightened young men because someone they never met, who does not know their name, thinks it's a good idea.

You then, with malice of forethought, take a gun, or a plane or a bomb and go kill as many young men as you can.

And then you are celebrated for it.

Murder. State sanctioned, made palatable for the masses, cold-blooded murder.

And we are supposed to celebrate.

My favorite expression of brain disconnect is "You can only say those things because soldiers died for your freedom."

Yes, in the Revolutionary War. And that was started because very rich men didn't want to pay their taxes. Freedom for them meant freedom for business to prosper. The stuff about freedom and standing up to tyranny was for the masses doing the actual fighting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we assisted the Russians in kicking the crap out of the Third Reich.

And I'm glad we stopped the Japanese war machine before it could do to more cities what it did to Nanking. But if you don't think that too was about money, you need to read more history. Saving lives was only a happy by-product of standing up to the Rising Sun.

I'm tired of the culture of war. The culture of murder.

I think violence has a place. Hell, I like competitive violence. When I was much younger, I boxed. And I will still watch a fight now and then. I've been in my share of actual fights. Lost some, won some. And it's always familiar: Anxious fear before, excitement and clarity during, exhausted exhilaration after. Sound like anything else you know? Well, without the fear.

Well, for some of us. Sorry Nemo :)

But violence is part of what we are. It's real. Primal. Channeled into competition where no one gets permanently injured or disfigured, it can a celebration of our old lizard brain part of our humanity.

But war is nothing to celebrate. Murder celebrated is mass insanity.

Happy Memorial Day.

Update: The story of the Haditha massacre is oozing out slowly:

Photographs taken by American military intelligence have provided crucial evidence that up to 24 Iraqis were massacred by marines in Haditha, an insurgent stronghold on the banks of the Euphrates. One portrays an Iraqi mother and young child, kneeling on the floor, as if in prayer. They have been shot dead at close range.
The killings are emerging as the worst known American atrocity of the Iraq war. At least seven women and three children were among those killed. Witness accounts obtained by The Sunday Times suggest the toll of children may be as high as six. “This one is ugly,” a US military official said.

How, even in your darkest rage, do close range.



  • At 9:24 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    An article in honor of Sgt. StaleShwing:

    The Few, The Proud, The Murderers

  • At 12:33 AM, Blogger Again said…

    I never write anything about anyone that I wouldn't say to that person face to face.

    that's called honesty ;-)

    I'm angry that we live in a society where questioning the military or not "supporting our troops" is akin to treason. I'm angry because I hear the old, "I'm against the war, but I support the troops."

    next time you met someone of them - and are in the mood for discussion - tell them the story of the people, attacking the sister of Hans and Sophie Scholl because they "didn't support the troops" - in 1960!!

    Murder. State sanctioned, made palatable for the masses, cold-blooded murder.
    And we are supposed to celebrate.

    yes, and that's the reason, why Hollywood loves the Nazis so much, i guess - those beautiful black uniforms, the tall proud unbeatable, perfect, intelligent fighters for the evil - the White Knight needs the "best" to be the best. God needs the Devil, Pharao needed the barbarians, Superman needs Lex Luthor

    BB (before Bush) i thought it to be an accusation - the Hollywood movies always remembering the Nazis, the British even today attacking german little boys with "Nazi, Nazi"...

    but now i understand - it is admiration, openly and overtly. The Nazis were the strongest, the technically most developed nation, the unbeatable enemy, dark, cruel, alien...

    exactly like the monster in "Alien" - a wonderful "object" of hate (you don't have to consider them "human"), a wonderful "object" for a fight (you have to defend yourself and the whole world) and the best object of pride when you have won - defeated the "unbeatable". The mightier the enemy, the higher the respect for the winner: "viel Feind, viel Ehr" (The more danger, the more honor)

    I'm tired of the culture of war. The culture of murder.

    and this culture will kill us, not only by war - but by our inability to fight the true dangers. Why? Because Superman can't stop Global Warming - WE ALL TOGETHER have to do it, we can't wait for a Messiah to save us...

    Hollywoods strategy - one man will defend the future of the world - is just pure nonsense, but pollutes our brains with the invincible meme of the "Defending Pharao"

    so in the end, maybe war will just be one more coffin nail - the true reason for our decline will be our inability to act responsibly on our own, without a leader, a preacher, a teacher, a protector...

    "It is so easy to be immature. If I have a book to serve as my understanding, a pastor to serve as my conscience, a physician to determine my diet for me, and so on, I need not exert myself at all. I need not think, if only I can pay: others will readily undertake the irksome work for me" - Immanuel Kant

    "Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do." - Bertrand Russell

  • At 1:27 AM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    It's interesting that someone disagreeing with you makes you so angry. How tolerant of you. Do you ever step outside of your echo chamber?

  • At 8:21 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Funny, I've never considered Green September (or any other blog I've frequented) to *remotely* resemble
    an "echo chamber". But I have encountered many a "right-wing" forum where dissenting voices, no matter how reasoned in their approach, were swiftly "dealt with" or banned outright. (I'll give Mister Stehling his due by pointing out that my recent comments on his own blog have *not* suffered any such fate, though the tone of "discussion" has been rather dismissive.) ==== Why, we've occasionally had some *major* disagreements here, most recently on the "need" for more violence in this country as a means to reinstate its proper, Constitutional form of government -- a notion I tend to support, whereas others generally do not. (Of course, I'm *not* recommending that we simply run amok, popping innocent civilians in the head, as some might find reasonably tolerable under the "right" circumstances.) ;-) ==== But Steven, you would do well to read ML's link above, if only to get a better appreciation of what you're up against -- in terms of specific allegations from others who are *currently* serving in Iraq -- in any attempt to depict the military's conduct there as "exemplary". There's ample room for doubt about any such pat conclusion manifested in that piece (and elsewhere), from what I can see.

  • At 11:03 AM, Anonymous ML said…

    Do you ever step outside of your echo chamber?

    Unfortunately yes: one step outside puts us all in the FOX News echo chamber called Amerika. Go polish your cowards weapons now.

    “We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.” -Bill Maher

  • At 12:01 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    In the spirit of "nothing else seems to be making a fucking difference in this ideological civil war" I'm calling a truce of sorts.

    Mr. Stehling, you are welcome to comment here as long as you behave, ie no insults to my friends here.

    In exchange for that, they too WILL abide by those rules.

    Exchange ideas, debate, argue..... no personal attacks.

    This is a rare opportunity for both sides to actually talk, reasonably.

    If you can't make your argument without insults, your argument sucks.

    Courage, ladies and gentlemen. Have courage to listen

  • At 2:21 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Memorial Day

    Remembering forgotten atrocities. Some things never change...

  • At 3:11 PM, Anonymous UT said…

    I'm angry. I'm angry that we live in a society where questioning the military or not "supporting our troops" is akin to treason. I'm angry because I hear the old, "I'm against the war, but I support the troops."

    I put a picture on this subject on my blog. My wife forced me to put this yellow sticker on my car "support our troops" because her brother is in Iraq, working for the PSYOP team. It is a team that does not even obey to the rules of war, and most of these people adopt local customs since some of them do not even wear the uniform.

    Here a link:

    The link is actually not accurate if you see what I mean. Also the psyop team works in collaboration with forces from the UK. A few months ago, there was a roadside bomb in Basrah that killed some english troops. This brother-inlaw of mine was in there during this very same time.

    Whoever calls me "french foe" will be called to their turn "nazis". It was the case for my brother-inlaw.

  • At 7:19 PM, Blogger politiques USA said…

    In a war there is no word at all. It is KILL THEM ALL

    PS: Iraq never invaded the US.

  • At 7:43 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    That's like the two SAS members dressed in local clothing the Iraqi police captured with a trunk full of explosives and RPG's. England raised holy hell and they had to let them go. I've still got pictures of the two chaps.

    Wonder what they were doing with all those toys?

    BTW-UT, It's good to have you back bro

  • At 8:23 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    Mr. Stehling, you are welcome to comment here as long as you behave, ie no insults to my friends here.

    In exchange for that, they too WILL abide by those rules.

    Exchange ideas, debate, argue..... no personal attacks.

    This is a rare opportunity for both sides to actually talk, reasonably.


    I can agree to that.

    I have no problem discussing an issue without personal insults. The town I live in is notoriously intolerant politically. It's incredibly hostile, even between Democrats that disagree on simple issues like smoking in bars. Insults create rifts and society is already polarized on many issues.

    I don't tolerate insults on my blog for very long, because in my experience they just create flame wars. Nemo has been posting on my blog and while I don't agree with him, I don't block users for simply disagreeing with me. I have blocked one user recently that couldn't resist being insulting towards me. They were also posting under two names from the same IP address, which I find suspicious. Of course the person is from my hometown in Madison, so don't think I blame it on you or your readers in any way.

  • At 9:50 PM, Anonymous UT said…

    BTW-UT, It's good to have you back bro Blogging only became a little part of my life. But yeah we do know that Americans or English troops have been caught in terrorist acts. I'm also pretty sure while Europe never really went inside the american continent, they won't allow the US to be in Iraq, that's for sure. Europeans are also aware of the incoming attacks from the CIA in Europe. This time, Europe may retaliate directly against the US after the next presidential election.

    It is a fictious scenario but plausible. The war in Iraq had been decided secretly, far from the medias between people in the IMF and the worldbank. Iran won't be attacked anyway before the french presidential election since Bush is getting a taugh lesson with Iraq. On the other side, the next President from Mexico may be a pro-chavez because "illegal mexicans are deported from the US". It's all about economics first and it has nothing to do with "freedom".

    I bet you $300 that if ever Iran was going to be attacked, oil supply from Venezuela would be cut to the US.

    Also we are in a different world this time since the war in Iraq and I don't think anybody noticed it: it is not the dollar who is in charge of the world, it is the resources of the world that tells the dollar what to do. We are very far from the old times.

  • At 1:07 AM, Anonymous JMF said…

    Robert: The sordid details of the Haditha massacre are indeed dribbling out, little by little. And they're increasingly ugly, by leaps and bounds!:Bloody Scenes Haunt a Marine ==== Lance Cpl. Roel Ryan Briones says he is tormented by two memories of Nov. 19, 2005, in Haditha, Iraq. ==== The first is of the body of his best friend and fellow Marine blown apart just after dawn by a roadside bomb. The second is of the lifeless form of a small Iraqi girl, one of two dozen unarmed civilians allegedly killed by members of his Camp Pendleton unit - Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division. ==== Briones, a wiry, soft-spoken 21-year-old interviewed Sunday at his family home in this Central Valley city, said he was not among the small group of Marines that military investigators have concluded killed the civilians, including children, women and elderly men. ... ==== Briones said he took pictures of at least 15 bodies before his camera batteries died. He said he then helped other Marines remove the bodies and place them in body bags. He said his worst moment, and one that haunts him to this day, was picking up the body of a young girl who was shot in the head. ==== "I held her out like this," he said, demonstrating with his arms extended, "but her head was bobbing up and down and the insides fell on my legs." ==== As he spoke, his mother, Susie Briones, 40, a Hanford community college teacher, who was sitting beside him at the kitchen table, silently wiped away tears. ==== Earlier she confided to a reporter that her son called frequently from Iraq after he experienced nightmares over the little girl. ==== "He called me many times," she said, "about carrying this little girl in his hands and her brains splattering on his boots. He'd say, 'Mom, I can't clean my boots. I can't clean my boots. I see her.' " ... ==== "My son saw what the Marines did, and he knew who did it before the Haditha investigations began," the mother wrote in a long letter to local authorities seeking leniency in the criminal cases. ==== "He saw the killings and knew who sent the word out to do the killings, he had to clean up the bodies of children who were sleeping in their beds and he saw his best friend die in front of his eyes." ==== [Sounds like it wasn't even a *spontaneous* rampage, at least surficially attributable to "the heat of battle", but rather a *deliberate* decision to exercise a lethal vendetta against innocent men, women, and children. And *this*, stemming from a pointless war based entirely on official LIES.]

  • At 1:45 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Well. I *may* have attested too soon to Steven Stehling's "largesse". ==== Sargent, do entire TOPICS have a tendency to simply disappear from your blog occasionally? I posted a couple updates to your "Convicted Coward Katherine Jashinski" thread tonight, only to find that it subsequently seems to have *disappeared* entirely -- the whole THREAD, including various comments from you, me, and two others. (Though, ostensibly, you judge them to be just "one" person due to their shared IP address. I'll have to make a mental note to warn my lady friend to avoid your blog at all costs, lest you instinctively "deduce" that any comment she might make is just me posting under an "alias".) ==== Of course, it may just be that you were updating your post to insert an accurate link, as I had pointed out was missing in my first comment. But that "vanishing" is nevertheless very strange, to say the least! Perhaps you should look into it.

  • At 2:40 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Rupert Cornwell, of The Independent, here produces an admirable historical overview which suggests rather convincingly the ultimately devastating impact this atrocity at Haditha (and its apparent cover-up) will have on the already faltered "public confidence" in both this war and the purported "goals" of its proponents. It's time to leave -- this duplicitous "crusade" is utterly unwinnable: War Crimes: My Lai is a Lesson from History ==== The killing of 24 civilians in Haditha has reminded America of another massacre that tarnished its reputation 38 years ago. ==== To Americans of a certain generation, the news this weekend must have seemed dreadfully familiar: an endless war, whose rationale is ever harder to understand, and where "victory" is gradually drained of meaning; a group of soldiers enraged by the loss of a comrade to an invisible enemy, running amok and exacting revenge on civilians, whose only crime was to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. ==== Today, the name that threatens to besmirch an entire war is Haditha, a town on the Euphrates river, north-west of Baghdad, deep in the "Sunni Triangle". A generation and a half ago, the place was My Lai, a hamlet in South Vietnam. ...

  • At 3:21 AM, Anonymous b said…

    I like the fact there are opposing views on GS as it keeps the dialogue more interesting. Flames on the other hand, have no place here.

    I've checked out the Stehling site and the main thing I came away with is that he's into punk. Some of you may think that's odd, but it made me view his entries a bit closer. It's not entirely political as I first assumed.

    I was drawn to those entries, the rest didn't interest me.

  • At 3:36 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Meanwhile, back in that other faraway bastion of blessed US "liberation": Riots, Gunfire after US Troops Shoot Dead Four ==== The Afghan capital erupted in gunfire and riots after US troops shot dead at least four people following a traffic accident, with angry crowds shouting "Death to America." ==== Gunshots could be heard near Kabul's diplomatic quarter as around 1,000 people marched toward the area. The United Nations ordered its personnel into bunkers and safe zones. ... ==== The trouble began when a US vehicle appeared to lose control and smashed into other vehicles, according to an AFP photographer who was on the scene. ==== The military coalition said the accident, which may have been caused by faulty brakes, killed one person and injured several. People angered by the carnage started protesting and pelting the military vehicle with stones. ==== US troops then opened fire and killed at least four people, the photographer said. He said two men were shot dead next to him, and two other bodies were found after the burst of gunfire. Several people were wounded. ... ==== [I can only wonder -- being as it was *our* troops -- whether it was actually the AFP photographer 'next to them' who was the *intended* target in those first two reported deaths.]

  • At 4:40 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Hey, B: When you were out at Stehling's blog, did you happen to notice the post (roughly two from the top), "Soldier Opposed To Wars Is Convicted" -- ostensibly relating the tale of "Katherine Jashinski, Convicted Coward"? It now looks to have been completely"disappeared" from the site, right down to the Permalink level -- a development that occurred almost *immediately* after my last comment was posted there. (Naturally, I'm reserving judgment, pending Sargent Stehling's own input regarding this bizarre "vanishing act".) Just curious.

  • At 11:29 AM, Anonymous b said…

    Hmmm, I glanced at it, probably should have read it but since all this madness is disturbing to me and getting to me, I was lax. I wish I'd read it and your comments.

    I can't get worked up anymore about all the violence and wars and bombings and killings. They're escalating each day and each day my stomach churns harder. Believe me when I tell you it's difficult to eat these days.

    I have a nephew who just turned 17 and he's depressed, drinking and even throwing in suicide and it's because there's no future in his eyes. All he sees is hate and violence and promise of more.

    I wish my shell were tougher. BUt, who knows, I just may go off again at anytime because I AM a timebomb ready to explode. I'm a walking revolution, against all authority. Hint in them there lyrics.

  • At 12:08 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    "When you were out at Stehling's blog, did you happen to notice the post (roughly two from the top), "Soldier Opposed To Wars Is Convicted" -- ostensibly relating the tale of "Katherine Jashinski, Convicted Coward"? It now looks to have been completely"disappeared" from the site, right down to the Permalink level -- a development that occurred almost *immediately* after my last comment was posted there. (Naturally, I'm reserving judgment, pending Sargent Stehling's own input regarding this bizarre "vanishing act".) Just curious."

    I have never removed any article from my blog. I have no idea why you believe my Jashinski post disappeared, but it's clearly on page one of my blog at this time. And the permalink is still valid. In fact, the permalink will never change, unless I do a complete overhaul of how my blog indexes entries. Which I wouldn't like do since it would screw up trackbacks and links from other blogs.

    Eventually, the Jashinski post won't be on page one. But you can still get to it several ways, such as using the permalink, browsing the "National News" category, browsing the May 2006 archives or by going to the bottom of the page and clinking the "Older Entries" link. If that's what you call hiding entries, then you have an unusual definition of the word.

    Here's the permalink to the entry you claim is missing: Soldier Opposed To Wars Is Convicted

    If that link doesn't work, which I know it does, then something is wrong with the backend of my website. To my knowledge everything is working properly and no one has told me they've had any problem before.

    Perhaps you're believe something is missing because you've forgotten that you've been posting on two different entries at my blog.

    Here's the other entry you've commented on: Jessie Macbeth is NOT an Army Ranger

  • At 2:23 PM, Anonymous b said…

    Guess what? Nemo is correct.

    Sorry, no posts matched your criteria.

    Not real punk of you, was it?

    I come from the REAL punk world, know lots of REAL punks, famous ones, too, related to some, even, and they wouldn't like your site.

  • At 2:59 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    Somehow the publish status changed to "Private", which I don't understand why. I know I didn't change it. I have removed an admin account which was for installation purposes, but someone I doubt someone was using that to change settings on my blog since I never gave anyone the password.

    Something fishy is going on. This is the second unusual change that I've noticed the month. I can't rule out a security problem, but it's probably just a software bug or problem with the database.

  • At 5:18 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    Hey there Steve, just checked out your blog. I must say I've never seen a better textbook example of siege warfare.

    Ouch they've got the torches out for you.

    One thing. Unless you know exactly what you're talking about and have the facts to back it up, don't go head to head with Nemo. And even then it's not a safe bet.

    My question is this:

    Somewhere in all that you accused Code Pink of being puppets.

    Who exactly are they puppets of?

  • At 6:42 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    I'll field that one.

    Who exactly are they puppets of?

    Fashion and civil obedience. But it's nice that Code Pink takes a day off from shopping now and then, to dress in pink and oppose the wars. Real peace activists like Rachel Corrie will be remembered centuries after Code Pink's Medea Benjamins are forgotten.

  • At 7:13 PM, Anonymous b said…

    I came off a bit smarmy and for that I apologize, but it hit me this guy's a mysognist. A buddy lovin woman hatin kinda guy.

    What I've always been curious about is how did he find this place when he did? This wasn't a stumble-upon.

    It's 3 am I just woke up I will probably regret this. If I still feel the same after a couple of cups of coffee, I'll correct myself.

  • At 10:04 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    You're exactly right B. He mentioned searching Technorati and finding his way here, which is not true. I happen to know our little playground isn't listed anywhere in it's search engine.

    But I'm willing to play along with whatever game it is he/they are playing just to see where it leads, if anywhere.

    How are you feeling dear?

  • At 10:15 PM, Blogger Robert said…

    ML, I will take Code Pink's overblown fashion sense and cutesy sayings over complacency and ignorance any day.

    And as far as Medea Benjamin goes, at least she's doing something. Making noise. Can you say the same?

    Your elitist much-holier-than-thou put downs against people who are doing their best to fight these bastards are starting to wear thin. You stand out there on the front lines for a while and then see how it feels.

    I'm not out there on the street getting cursed at and photographed by the alphabet agencies, so I have the decency not to put down those that do.

    Take a fucking lesson from that.

  • At 10:35 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    I have spent more time on the front lines than you could possibly imagine. Tell me, where you active when Clinton and Gore were in office opposing the sanctions on Iraq and the daily bombings then? I've seen tactics that work, and tactics that are laughable, and simply call them like I see them. If the holy grail of antiwar activism has been reduced to a mere PC fashion statement, it's little wonder nothing changes. If dressing in pink is "doing their best to fight these bastards," it's time for a funeral for the peace movement. Medea Benjamin can't hold a candle to Cindy Sheehan. No one gets a pass.

    Take a fucking lesson from that.

  • At 10:55 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    "Civil disobedience... is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience... Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem." -- Howard Zinn, Failure to Quit, p.45

  • At 11:34 PM, Anonymous b said…

    Robert, as is evident by my bitchy tone today, I don't feel too well. This happens every single time the weather changes, attacking my ear and head.

    Thanks for asking -- I wish I had a better answer.

  • At 12:03 AM, Blogger Robert said…


    All right, wise one. I try to never miss an opportunity to learn something. What exactly are the tactics that work?

  • At 2:46 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    "To my knowledge everything is working properly and no one has told me they've had any problem before." ==== Mister Stehling: So obviously, your "knowledge" was FAR from complete in that case. But of course, there's nothing terribly new in that! And why should anyone *else* have to inform you of a recognized problem on your site? ==== "Guess what? Nemo is correct. Sorry, no posts matched your criteria." ==== B: Excellent catch! I suspected that Mister Stehling might later simply *deny* the disappearance. And, sure enough! Obviously, "Sargent", you're at the very least a "shoot first and ask questions later" type. And if, in fact, the "denial" was even sincere, you've now made it entirely obvious that you didn't even *bother* to properly check first, instead lunging headlong into yet another dismissive "sermon", as is your fashion, *without* first availing yourself of the facts. (What you did to check out B's confirmation of that disappearance, you could *easily* have done upon first being informed of the problem.) ==== "If that's what you call hiding entries, then you have an unusual definition of the word." ==== I note that, once *again*, you've taken this opportunity to fraudulently attribute words to me that I did NOT utter. Where in anything I've written above do you find me accusing you of "hiding entries"?? (On the other hand, your own [much later] admission that the post *was* re-designated "PRIVATE" clearly attests to the fact that it was *indeed* hidden by someone with the proper authorization!) I merely suggested -- quite appropriately -- that you should look into that disappearance, which you obviously failed to do! ==== The next time you decide to "point the finger" at me, vaguely insinuating that I'm either "daft" or a "liar", bear in mind that the other four fingers are pointing SQUARELY back at you! That amazingly flippant (and utterly false) dismissal of a readily identifiable reality which you indulged yourself in severely undermines your *own* credibility, which was far from "sterling" to begin with. There are insults, and then there are INSULTS! And you are literally slopping over with the latter, albeit most typically in duplicitious and/or "thinly veiled" fashion. I have been decidedly gentle with you in the past. But my patience is swiftly running out. I do NOT suffer fools gladly, and you are demonstrating an unmistakable aspiration to that highly dubious "distinction". ==== Oh, and apology noted in advance.

  • At 4:47 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Robert: Many thanks for that vote of confidence above. Yes, "Standards and Grudges" seems to rely fairly heavily on unsubstantiated innuendo and politically "convenient" snap judgments, as you've clearly observed regarding that gratuitous swipe taken at Code Pink. The tagline for the site could easily be "If you can't convince 'em with the facts -- you CAN'T, when you don't have any! -- vainly attempt to baffle 'em with ludicrous bullshit." ==== For instance, did you notice the amazingly "fair and balanced" treatment underlying that "snappy comeback" to the ladies, regarding the Vietnam Conflict? Apparently --in "Steven Stehling's World" -- the ONLY political "bad guys" involved in that war were John Kennedy, for "getting us in" (as most of us know, JFK was actively planning to pull out of Vietnam when he was "conveniently" shot) and Lyndon Johnson (correct, in that one instance), for needlessly escalating the conflict. But old "Tricky Dick" Nixon, utterly disgraced REPUBLICAN?? Why, HE's actually the "happy ending" to the story! According to Steven's remarkably skewed "assessment", Nixon campaigned on the promise that he would "get us out". (In fact, Nixon falsely claimed that he hed a "secret plan" for ending the war, though the only *real* secret was that there WAS no such plan.) And, "by cracky" -- according to Steven's distorted view of "history" -- Dick DID it! And GEE, it only took him FIVE YEARS, numerous war crimes, and countless thousands of utterly senseless deaths -- on both sides of the conflict and FAR BEYOND (Laos, Cambodia, Thailand) -- to do so. What a "Great American"!! {Suppressed guffaws}. ==== Mister Stehling, quite astonishingly, even *admonished* those ladies, advising them that they should "pick up a few history books". (Steven was obviously not actually around at the time, unlike myself and quite possibly the ladies he so abruptly snubbed.) Yet sadly, it's quite obvious that Steven himself has no time for "frivolities" such as a serious review of history, nor even any detectable inclination to become well versed in *current* events. He's much too busy "blogging"! And obviously, it's ever so much easier for him to just make it up as he goes along, ignore the crucial issues raised, and/or parrot the abundant right-wing hogwash which passes for "knowledge" that he's seemingly swallowed along the way -- hook, line and sinker -- than do any actual research or fact-checking. ==== They *say* that ignorance is bliss. But our "friend" hardly seems blissful in his writings. But then, I suppose it's tough "defending the faith" against a full frontal assault by REALITY.

  • At 2:26 PM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    Yes Nemo, you're such a shining example of strict fact based debate. Oh wait, I'm still waiting for you to provide a source for your claim that an Accounting Brigade from New Jersey was temperately reassigned as infantry in Iraq. How about you find a source that proves there's even such a thing as an Accounting Brigade? Maybe just a little bit of information, such as the name of their unit or if they're Active Duty, Reserve or Guard?

    And I also love how you accuse me of being a parrot. Do I assume there is no one else that believes the same thing as me? No. But the same can be said of you. However, it would be much easier to accuse you of being a parrot considering nearly every opinion you express is directly from Common Dreams, Truthout and Information Clearing House.

    And as far as those ladies, I have access to the server logs and I can see things you don't have access to. When two users from the same IP address have amazingly similar writing styles and content, then the flags go up. There's also the fact that they've sent me very inappropriate emails through my blog software. I doubt you would accept ad hominem attacks against you, so why do you think I should? The two ladies IP addresses originate from my home town and I'm quite experienced with locals that shout down anyone that disagrees with their opinion. Condescending remarks is not debate. It's an immature attempt to make themselves feel better by hurting others. But that garbage will not shut me up. I will however shut them up on my website.

    Also, I never mentioned Code Pink. There's no mention of Code Pink anywhere on my blog. That organization was actually criticized here. So please continue on with your "fact" based assessment of my site.

  • At 10:52 PM, Anonymous ML said…

    Lessons from History

    Code Pink and similar street theater protest approaches are a great nonviolent strating point to get otherwise complacent people to act. Often such efforts have a positive impact; sometimes not. Has it stopped the war? No. The crucial question is, how long do you stick with a tactic that doesn't work? A year, maybe two? If it isn't working, time for something different: time to ratchet up the pressure.

    What is the government's war machine most afraid of? It seems most threatened by anti-recruitment efforts, fear of 3rd party candidates, having its lies exposed by foreign media and the internet, circumventing the U.S. corporate media's monopoly on American groupthink. It's very afraid of the International Criminal Court. Revelations about state sanctioned torture give it seizures. It's afraid of the 9-11 truth movement. It fears states' motions to impeach Chimpy and Cheney. It fears popular support for Iran. It shudders with guilt when compared to Nazi Germany or the Crusades. It squawks anti-semite when Israel's lobby power is exposed. It squeals with discomfort when our criminal leaders are made uncomfortable by victims of its policies (Cindy Sheehan's protest campout in Crawford, TX last year, the recently exposed massacre in Iaq). And as always, it screams bloody murder if its profits are impacted. Shutting down "business as usual" through general strikes and civil disobedience as shown by SF activists during the first 3 days of the Iraq war strikes terror in the hearts of capitalist bean counters of profit. When the early cutesy protests failed during the Vietnam war, tactics were refined and grew to include such things as people physically blockading railroads making military hardware shipments, and military convoys moving equipment headed for Iraq. A few broken windows at any antiwar event sends a clear message to the establishment that people are serious, while simply dressing in pink is a darling photo-op for corporate media promoting only tame, acceptable civil obedience. Similarly, one could spray paint the windows with pink anti-war messages instead.

    One final point for meditation: what obligation does a citizen have to obey unconstitutional laws when opposing the crimes against humanity committed by BushCo, a government that repeatedly violates its own laws and treaties? Property damage, vandalism, and sabotage do not target people, and are not terrorism. In fact, the CIA has published sabotage manuals for citizens seeking to overthrow oppressive regimes like the U.S. today.

    The Nuremberg Tribunal (1945-1946) proclaimed: “Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience… Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring.”

  • At 1:56 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Re: "CIA has published sabotage manuals" -- ML: Interesting link! Some of those propositions seem amazingly silly and juvenile, probably well in accordance with the puerile mindest of those desk-bound James Bond wannabe's who conceived them; others appear extremely practical and efficient for undermining infrastructure and actively *fostering* latent, generalized unrest. And hey, if it takes breaking a few windows or spray-painting a few slogans, which is more important -- property or human lives? === But what really strikes me there is the several -- utterly non-specific as to target -- suggestions which clearly potentially endanger totally *innocent* lives or damage utterly *irrelevant* property. For instance, "phoning in false alarms on fires", as the CIA espoused, needlessly endangers firefighters, who obviously play no role whatsoever in dictating government "policy". ==== But of course, the "spooks" in this country were never terribly interested in citing *effective* methods of resistance; their sole purpose was to induce chaos in the *general* population, innocent bystanders be damned! (Even the Weather Underground rapidly adopted a commendable stance of social responsibility, wherein its members consistently telephoned to advise authorities to *clear* buildings they had "mined". When would one *ever* expect our own paid assassins -- past or present -- to undertake such notably humanitarian precautions?) ==== But the pamphlet itself does yield some pretty useful ideas (as you aptly pointed out), as do radical writings from the 60's Era, like "Revolution for the Hell of It" and "Steal this Book", both by the late, great Abbie Hoffman (alias "FREE"). Plus, they're ALL generally applicable by the "common man" -- a real necessity in a country where the delineation between the opposing factions is largely and increasingly based on "class". ==== Good stuff! Thanks, ML. And to augment your prior suggestions, here's a rather fanciful one: How about spray-painting the *entire* Pentagon pink? Wouldn't THAT irk those would-be "macho" boys?!] ;-)

  • At 2:56 AM, Anonymous Nemo said…

    Mister Stehling: If the above is what you would consider an "apology" for your callous, utterly uninformed insinuation of a false claim on my part, "then you have an unusual definition of the word". And by about the *third* time you make an inaccurate, deliberately disingenuos accusation against someone *without* being humored, you SHOULD begin to realize that you're "shooting blanks". ==== I recommend that you carefully RE-READ my *actual* comments regarding the alleged "Accounting Brigade", which should both clarify the exact wording I employed -- versus your consistently ham-fisted "paraphrasing" -- and fully explain my utter lack of interest in humoring your amazingly puerile, would-be "sleight of hand" demand for "substantiation". To wit, you have already received ALL the answer you're going to get.==== And your astoundingly brazen assertion -- "There's no mention of Code Pink anywhere on my blog".-- implying (though not actually specifying) that you never made the remark or brought up Code Pink there is a bald-faced LIE. I too spotted that ridiculous, "straw man" non sequitur *immediately* in your pseudo-rebuttals to the ladies on the Jashinski thread. If that particular "puppet" swipe is no *longer* to be found on yout blog, only one of two things can be responsible: 1) you since altered your comments to remove it; 2) you've yet to *restore* the Jashinski thread to its previous "PUBLIC" status, in which case you're merely spouting a weasel half-truth, making an incredibly gutless stab at a strictly semantic argument. ==== Either way, your track record is firmly established now, for all to see. I am "Nemo", and even *I* no longer consider you in any way "worth talking to".

  • At 3:45 AM, Blogger Steven A. Stehling said…

    So basically you're not going to provide a source for you accusation that an entire brigade was reassigned as infantry?

    I'm not going to back down. You need to realize that you're shooting blanks. You're not some amazing source of facts that debates expertly as Robert believes. I particularly enjoy your tactic of "done talking to you" when you can't impress someone with long winded and unsupported accusations. Maybe more people would be impressed if you learned to write more clearly.

    I also happen to now know how the Jashinski thread and other things on my blog were modified and I've fixed that problem. That thread was restored to public status immediately after I noticed the problem.

    "You're exactly right B. He mentioned searching Technorati and finding his way here, which is not true. I happen to know our little playground isn't listed anywhere in it's search engine."

    If you actually paid attention to what I wrote, you'd notice that I know how to use Technorati and Google Blogs to find blogs discussion a specific issue. Your site is indexed by Google and that is how I found it.

    Green September at Google Blogs

    Google Blog search with the link to your Macbeth post

    You should also know that blogs that are on Technorati do link to your site. Also your MySpace blog is in the system. Do you realize the irony of you having a MySpace account? Don't you know who owns that service?


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